Tuesday, 2014-07-29

warthog9Bhaal: I'd point right back at prpplague on that one00:00
warthog9the real problem is there isn't a lot of pci-e to go around00:00
BhaalIf it was hardware raid you wouldn't need it so much though...00:01
prpplaguewarthog9: oh that reminds me, i need to talk to you about that lure request from last friday00:01
warthog9prpplague: phone?00:01
warthog9if we assume you can *ACTUALLY* get 6gbps of bandwidth off of a sata port, that technically exceeds the bandwidth available in a gen 2 pci-e lane00:01
Bhaalwarthog9: So I guess between software raid and a sata port extender raid might be a bit fail?00:01
prpplaguewarthog9: not atm00:01
prpplaguewarthog9: tomorrow00:02
warthog9prpplague: ok00:02
prpplaguewarthog9: unless it is urgent to have an answer00:02
warthog9prpplague: not urgent on my plate :-)00:02
prpplaguewarthog9: ok00:02
warthog9Bhaal: depends on what your expectation is00:02
warthog9if you expect the max to be able to push as much data as an i7 from software raid: not going to happen00:03
BhaalWell it won't be serving up a trillion pages to the web every second...   More likely just video storage backend for multiple HTPCs in a house...00:03
warthog9but I have been seeing pretty respectable numbers off of the usb3 enclosure's I've got and software raid00:03
warthog9Bhaal: should be fine :-)00:04
BhaalI was hoping to avoid the ugly of enough USB3 hubs to make 12 ports not to mention all the external USB3 enclosures...00:06
warthog9Bhaal: http://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-HF2-SU3S2-ProBox-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B003X26VV4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1406592375&sr=8-3&keywords=4-bay+usb3+sata00:08
warthog9I've got two of those00:08
warthog9that company also makes an 8-bay version00:08
warthog9(it's $60 more than 2 x 4-bay ones though)00:08
Bhaalwarthog9: prpplague mentioned you might have some sata extenders there that you are going to test with at some point...  Can you let me know when the results are in :)00:08
BhaalHmmmm, I guess that hides the ugly a little :)00:08
warthog9Bhaal: the blinky lights on it are pretty good too00:09
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warthog9and yeah I'll post info on the sata multipliers in that00:09
BhaalHAHA damn geeks and their blinking lights! :)00:09
warthog9Bhaal: yup! https://www.flickr.com/photos/warthog9/14123167457/00:09
warthog9I do *LOVE* that picture00:10
Bhaalwarthog9: Make sure you include brands/models known to work..00:10
BhaalOhh, nice, but there seems to be some vacant ports!  haha00:10
warthog9Bhaal: I'll add a section on the wiki00:10
warthog9I doubt we'll be able to cover too much00:11
warthog9hehe yeah, those are infiniband ports00:11
prpplaguewarthog9: looks like Hieu has finished the single mSATA slot lure00:11
warthog9with the design suggestions that got pushed back?00:11
prpplaguewarthog9: my only concern with the design is that it isn't stackable00:11
prpplaguewarthog9: yea00:11
prpplaguewarthog9: heading home, i'll ping you later for some more feedback00:12
warthog9you know how to find me00:12
BhaalHmmm, was the lure designed so it connects up to the existing sata port, and then expose both ports parallel with the board and in the same direction as the USB for instance?00:13
Bhaal(that is what I would have done)00:13
warthog9Bhaal: no00:13
BhaalOh wait00:13
warthog9msata != sata00:13
prpplagueBhaal: no this is for just adding a single mSATA00:13
Bhaalthe high speed is underneath00:14
* prpplague heads home00:14
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Bhaalwarthog9: I know :) but it wouldn't have to be msata .. it could be converted to sata on the lure right?00:14
warthog9not on that one00:14
warthog9msata shares very little in common with sata00:15
BhaalIts a pity the existing sata is on the other side of the board...00:15
warthog9you could break pci-e out to a sata adapter though00:15
BhaalI thought I had seen msata->sata adapter boards?00:15
warthog9if they exists I've never seen on00:16
inflexmorn folks00:16
warthog9Bhaal: other way around00:16
BhaalHey inflex were we a bit loud?00:17
warthog9you can attach msata to sata without too much issue00:17
warthog9you can't do sata to msata00:17
warthog9or well I didn't think you could...00:17
BhaalSome of those boards look to be making it possible to plug a regular sata drive into an msata connector00:17
inflexI've seen tiny adapters going that way00:17
inflexabout the bigges complication is the power00:18
BhaalI wouldn't expect much different to the sata port on the Max which has no provision for power (understandably)00:19
warthog9no idea how well that adapter would work00:19
warthog9assuming it works that brings the number of sata ports that's hypothetically possible up to 400:19
BhaalWait, that means you could effectively expose 3 sata ports on the MAX :)00:19
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Bhaaloh and warthog9: snap!00:20
warthog9one one board, one via that msata adapter thing and two via mpci-e http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?gclid=CJPLm4ig6b8CFQsyaQodwooArQ&Item=9B-16-124-059&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleBiz&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleBiz-_-pla-_-Controllers+%2f+RAID+Cards-_-9B-16-124-059&ef_id=U9bowQAABHMXao9F:20140729002017:s00:20
BhaalWell technically, more via the mpci-e coz you could plug a regular raid card in00:21
Bhaalyeah, what you linked00:21
warthog9there are raid cards too00:21
warthog9but a 2-port 6gbps sata port in mpci-e for $22 isn't bad00:21
Bhaalwow...  such endless possibilities00:22
warthog9it's what happens when you have pci-e available00:22
BhaalNot bad at all00:22
warthog9I need to order a few of these: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Mini-PCI-Express-PCIe-Gigabit-Ethernet_106010782/showimage.html00:23
BhaalOhhh, dual00:23
BhaalAlright...  I have to go help load a farm onto a horse float...  BBL00:24
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BryansteinAnyone here have the new flash for the minnow board max?06:03
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BhaalBryanstein: I think its still being sorted out08:11
BhaalBryanstein: Are you the "Bryan Smith" from the mailing list who asked about it yesterday?08:13
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z3r0Does anyone know if I will be able to run Tails on the minnowboard max?09:37
z3r0sys req: https://tails.boum.org/doc/about/requirements/index.en.html09:37
tbrhardware runs software, film at 1109:42
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BhaalSo, a possible dumb question, but I cannot find too much info about the subject...  Is it possible to share a single PCIe Lane between multiple devices?  ie: a lure with 2 mPCIe connectors on it..?10:26
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av500there are PCIe externders10:50
av500but its kinds of a kludge10:50
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BhaalOk, so not worth it...  Was just a curiosity is all...11:17
seaLnePCIe is serial point to point conections wheras PCI was a shared parralel bus11:20
BhaalYeah, I figured it was single device only, but thought I might ask the question anyway11:21
BhaalWould love to see a "lure" which allowed a 2.5" drive to be screwed to the card, then sit down over the sata connector and the 5V fan connector...11:24
BhaalThe lure would obviously need the correct height standoffs11:24
av500somehow you are mixing up the max with the "modular computing system of the future"11:40
* Bhaal chuckles11:58
Bhaalav500: I would assume you are referring to my dumb pcie lane sharing question11:59
BhaalThe lure on the other hand, cannot see why that isn't a damn good suggestion :)12:00
BhaalI know there is going to be a msata lure, but 1/2TB in an msata drive would be out of this world price wise surelyt12:00
Bhaala 1TB regular SSD is ~$500AUD mark12:02
av500Bhaal: not dumb :)12:03
av500but after you add all your lures etc, you are cheaper to just buy a regular mini motherboard12:04
av500where you can plug cheap stock components12:04
BhaalIts not just that though, its power consumption12:05
BhaalWe don't have a lot of choice when it comes to atom hardware here in australia12:05
Bhaalnot motherboards anyway12:05
BhaalNot with gige and usb312:06
av500this board is 65€12:23
av500just an example12:24
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Bhaalav500: That's still ~$100AUD ... And its power consumption on idle would likely be more than the max when its flat biccy13:04
Bhaalav500: This: http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=C2750D4I13:06
BhaalIs what I would like to have for a file server...13:06
BhaalBut it isn't presently being sold in .au13:07
* Bhaal falls out of his tree13:10
Bhaal22 sata ports!13:10
BhaalThe MOTHER of ALL boards!13:10
BhaalThis is the board my this desktop I am using atm: http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Fatal1tyKiller/Fatal1ty%20Z87%20Killer.html13:14
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peters_hey guys!13:19
peters_does anyone know about the status of the batches? when a batch would reach eurpope for example?13:19
tbrSomeone recently mentioned that first shipments went to mouser13:20
peters_and has it been mentioned in what quantity?13:22
tbrless than the total number of preorders13:33
tbryou should be able to find the details in the irc logs13:34
peters_all right, hope the next batch will go to a differenent reseller13:55
peters_thanks for the help. Bye13:55
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seaLneam i right in thinking that due to the lack of "omg i got my mmax" no one has received one from mouser yet?15:39
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warthog9seaLne: I saw at least one unboxing last week17:06
seaLneoh.. /me gets jealous17:07
warthog9there aren't many out there17:07
warthog9but there are some :-)17:07
seaLnebah :P17:08
warthog9and my minnow keyboard is fixed \o/17:08
warthog9took it to OSCon and broke two of the keys17:17
warthog9that'll teach me to take my nice keyboards to conferences17:17
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