Friday, 2014-08-22

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seaLnethis powered HDMI -> VGA adaptor works with my max but a different unpowered one i tried didn't11:15
seaLnei'm suspecting the power part is the significant difference11:15
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tbrseaLne: unpowered as in tries to live of the meager current that comes over HDMI or completely passive? as the latter is a sure impossible feat11:35
BhaalseaLne: Yeah for small devices like the Pi and Max, a lot of unpowered converters won't work11:35
seaLneyeah thats why i bought that one after testing11:35
BhaalseaLne: See if you can get one which accepts 5V via a USB connector, then you should still be able to power it from the Max using its USB connector11:36
seaLnetbr: i assume it uses the 5v from the hdmi11:36
seaLnethat one actualy come with a usb->2.111:36
tbrthere are also those unpowered ones that are just wired through and are intended for graphics cards that can switch to VGA by themselves11:37
seaLneisn't that the analogue dvi rather than dvi-d?11:37
tbrno, there are non-standard adaptors, as HDMI doesn't allow for such a thing at all11:48
tbrI think HP used to do that11:48
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macmeckI received my board yesterday and I think the firmware error already hit me15:42
macmeckis it normal that if I have this kind of error that the USB port seems to be dead? no reaction on USB keyboard? No obvious recognition of the USB flash drive?15:44
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prpplaguemacmeck: was it booting before?15:52
Jefromacmeck for the flash drive, I did have issues with one FAT32 drive until I reformatted it, still as FAT32. It worked fine then. I think it had been formatted in windows before.15:52
prpplaguemacmeck: does the board have a green dot on one of the chips?15:52
macmeckprpplague: yes, one of the memory chips i guess15:53
prpplaguemacmeck: that should be the latest firmware15:53
prpplaguemacmeck: nothing on the uart?15:53
macmeckprpplague: hehe, don't know so far... I cannot find a proper cable here15:54
prpplaguemacmeck: ok, i doubt it is the firmware issue15:55
prpplaguemacmeck: we've not seen it on any boards since the firmware upgrade15:55
macmeckprpplague: and green dot on the chip means latest firmware, right?15:56
prpplaguemacmeck: yea15:56
prpplaguemacmeck: when you power on the board, how many green leds are on?15:57
macmeckprpplague: none... but two blue leds ;-)15:58
prpplaguemacmeck: yea i ment blue15:58
prpplaguemacmeck: hmm15:59
macmeckprpplague: then the start boot option... progress bar comes up but hitting F2 on the keyboard gives no reaction15:59
prpplaguemacmeck: OH16:00
prpplaguemacmeck: so you are getting something on the HDMI display?16:00
macmeckprpplague: oh, yes16:00
prpplaguemacmeck: ahhhhh16:00
macmeckprpplague: then I get the EFI shell which says "map: Cannot find required map name."16:00
prpplaguemacmeck: so no, that is not the firmware brick issue16:00
macmeckprpplague: okay then16:00
prpplaguemacmeck: ahh ok that means it's not finding the thumb drive as an option16:01
prpplaguemacmeck: i've got to go to a meeting, but when i get back we can see about debugging16:02
macmeckprpplague: i guess it finds nothing at all on the USB ports.16:02
prpplaguemacmeck: yea sounds so16:02
prpplaguemacmeck: are you using a hub or anything?16:02
macmeckprpplague: so no need for me to buy an UART cable?16:02
macmeckprpplague: no hub16:02
prpplaguemacmeck: i highly recommend you purchase one16:02
prpplaguemacmeck: if not for max, just to have around16:02
macmeckprpplague: that's what i thought last time. now i have one with only four pins... strange enough. ok I'll see what I can find in germanys electronic stores on a friday evening16:04
prpplaguemacmeck: which one do you have?16:04
prpplaguemacmeck: if you can link me to the info on it, i should be able to identify how to use it for you16:05
seaLnemacmeck: 4pins are fine assuming they include TX, RX and GND :-)16:05
prpplagueseaLne: and that it is 3.3V levels16:05
macmeckeven cooler... let me check16:06
seaLnethe 3v3 bit is the important thing16:07
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macmeckokay, 3v3 is fine... here it is:
prpplaguemacmeck: looking16:14
macmecknot much info though16:14
prpplaguemacmeck: plenty enough16:14
prpplaguemacmeck: give me 20-30 minutes and i'll get a wiki page up16:14
macmeckprpplague: great! thanks a lot16:15
maxtothemaxprpplague: the GPIO pins should be able to drive an LED if they're in output mode, right?16:27
prpplaguemacmeck: yea as long as it's not driving more than about 25mA16:28
prpplaguemaxtothemax: sorry that was for you16:28
maxtothemaxthis same LED lights up fine from the +3.3v16:28
* maxtothemax remembers that color matters16:29
maxtothemaxaccording to this chart, green ones should be in the 20 mA range:
maxtothemaxcould easily be a s/w issue, actually, let me test w/o custom DSDT16:30
maxtothemaxthe same gpio works fine in input mode so I know I'm using the right pin16:38
prpplaguemaxtothemax: you'll need to make sure that the resistor configuration is correct also if you are setting things up with a custom DSDT16:48
maxtothemaxsorry for wasting your time, I figured out that the GPIO is supposed to be the negative terminal16:48
prpplaguemaxtothemax: hehe no worries16:48
prpplaguemaxtothemax: wiki page? hehe16:48
prpplaguemaxtothemax: how to blink a led on minnowmax?16:49
prpplaguemaxtothemax: :P16:49
prpplaguemaxtothemax: thanks!16:49
maxtothemaxbut if all GPIOs are like that, I'm not sure it's worth documenting, this was just me not understanding the domain16:49
maxtothemaxdo the GPIOs work the other way on some boards?16:49
macmeckprpplague: great, but slightly confusing... on the Rev A1 boards, Pin 1 GND is closest to the SATA port, right?16:50
prpplaguemaxtothemax: i am not sure i understand you statement16:50
maxtothemaxthere are tons of boards with GPIO pins, is it customary for GPIO to be the negative terminal?16:50
prpplaguemacmeck: yes that is correct16:51
prpplaguemacmeck: i should remove the A0 section16:51
macmeckprpplague: the description in the text says FURTHEST16:51
macmeckprpplague: also for the 6 wire cable16:51
prpplaguemaxtothemax: that is going to be dependent on how you hook up the LED16:51
prpplaguemacmeck: let me look16:51
maxtothemax+3.3 on one end, GPIO on the other end, seems to work16:52
macmeckprpplague: the images are correct, it's only the text16:52
maxtothemaxwherease GPIO on one end, GND on the other, does not16:52
prpplaguemacmeck: yep correcting now16:52
maxtothemaxwhat other ways would I wire it?16:52
prpplaguemaxtothemax: that is going to be due to the resistor configuration as part of your GPIO16:53
prpplaguemaxtothemax: from your description the resistor for the gpio is currently configured as a pull down16:53
* prpplague makes a note to document this16:54
maxtothemaxnote - I am currently *not* using a custom dsdt16:54
prpplaguemaxtothemax: understood16:54
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prpplaguemacmeck: A2 boards have a big arrow for pin one to help16:55
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maxtothemaxso based on this diagram here, it looks like the rPi also has GPIOs as the negative terminal:
maxtothemaxand the device I'm trying to interface with is marketed for the rPi16:56
maxtothemaxso I should be good16:56
prpplaguemaxtothemax: yea, it is typical for the GPIO to "sink" the LED16:57
maxtothemaxit's been a while since I did any arduino stuff but I sure don't remember doing it that way there16:57
maxtothemaxcould be wrong though16:58
maxtothemaxsorry, I guess this is pretty basic stuff16:59
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prpplaguemaxtothemax: no worries16:59
prpplaguemaxtothemax: generally the Atmel AVRs are designed to drive devices like LEDs directly17:00
prpplaguemaxtothemax: most SoCs are not17:00
prpplaguemaxtothemax: the GPIOs on SoCs general don't provide enough current to do that17:00
maxtothemaxam I damaging my SoC by doing so now?17:01
prpplaguemaxtothemax: for example most of the GPIOs are used to connect to other digital devices17:01
maxtothemaxor does that just explain why it's dim17:01
prpplaguemaxtothemax: generally  driving a led via a GPIO on a SoC would be done via transitor to switch the current17:02
prpplaguemaxtothemax: so for most SoCs the "polarity" of how it is driven takes that into account17:02
prpplaguemaxtothemax: which is why it's different from the arduino17:02
maxtothemaxthat makes sense17:02
prpplaguemacmeck: let me know if you can get that uart config test17:03
maxtothemaxmostly I wanted to use an LED to "watch" the SPI17:03
prpplaguemacmeck: tested, as i want to make sure i have the documentation correct17:03
maxtothemaxbut was confused when it wouldn't light17:03
macmeckprpplague: it's just blank17:03
prpplaguemaxtothemax: ahh17:03
macmeckprpplague: sure about green and white wires?17:03
prpplaguemacmeck: swap the white/green and reboot17:03
macmeckprpplague: okay, back in the game17:05
macmeckprpplague: so green should be pin 4 and white is pin 517:05
prpplaguemacmeck: output then?17:07
prpplaguemacmeck: you getting info?17:07
macmeckprpplague: yes, just what I also see on the screen17:07
prpplaguemacmeck: dandy!17:07
* prpplague updates17:07
prpplaguemacmeck: thanks for testing!17:08
macmeckprpplague: sure!17:08
prpplaguemacmeck: ok so17:10
prpplaguemacmeck: recommendation - download the android image and dd it to your thumb drive17:10
prpplaguemacmeck: as a test17:10
macmeckprpplague: can I somehow check if the system recognizes the thumb drive?17:11
maxtothemaxso either the SPI clock is too infrequent to make the LED light even dimly, or there's no clock signal17:11
* maxtothemax needs an oscope17:12
macmeckprpplague: I doubt it doesn't even see the drive at the moment17:12
prpplaguemacmeck: you should be able to do: map -r17:12
macmeckprpplague: "map: Cannot find required map name."17:12
prpplaguemacmeck: yea it doesn't sound like it is finding it17:13
prpplaguemacmeck: couple of questions17:13
prpplaguemacmeck: one what power supply are you using? ratings wise17:13
macmeckprpplague: ratings wise?17:14
prpplaguemacmeck: what voltage and current?17:15
macmeckprpplague: I have 5V/1A17:15
prpplaguemacmeck: too small17:15
macmeckprpplague: don't tell me...17:15
macmeckprpplague: shame on me17:15
prpplaguemacmeck: you need at least 2A if you are using the USB host ports17:15
macmeckprpplague: seemed to work yesterday ;-)17:15
prpplaguemacmeck: it's probably right on the edge17:15
prpplaguemacmeck: try it without the usb key board attached17:16
macmeckprpplague: ok, i'll go digging and find one17:16
macmeckprpplague: nothing except for the thumb drive at the moment17:16
prpplaguemacmeck: ahh ok17:17
prpplaguemacmeck: yea i suspect it's right on the edge17:17
prpplaguemacmeck: you can see there is a white arrow marking pin one on the new A2 boards17:18
macmeckprpplague: cool!17:19
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macmeckprpplague: okay, so I found one with 2amps17:27
macmeckprpplague: booting up, still the same. USB port seems to be dead17:27
prpplaguemacmeck: try that out17:27
prpplaguemacmeck: odd indeed17:27
prpplaguemacmeck: question are you using the seacat lure that we sent?17:27
macmeckprpplague: not yet. had it attached yesterday, but not used17:28
macmeckprpplague: right now it's not connected17:28
prpplaguemacmeck: ok just wanted to take that out of the equation17:28
macmeckprpplague: if I attach a hdd to the SATA port, this one is found17:28
prpplaguemacmeck: and you've tested the thumb drive in both usb host ports?17:29
prpplaguemacmeck: hmm17:29
prpplaguemacmeck: that is weird as we test both host ports heavily17:29
macmeckprpplague: can I enter the setup via the serial connection?17:30
prpplaguemacmeck: yea you should be able to17:31
macmeckprpplague: how?17:31
prpplaguemacmeck: at the uefi shell prompt you should be able to just type the word "exit" and press enter17:32
macmeckprpplague: very easy, indeed...17:33
prpplaguemacmeck: were you making changes in the setup before?17:33
macmeckprpplague: nope, except for the system time i think17:34
prpplaguemacmeck: interesting17:34
macmeckprpplague: USB ports cannot be switched off somewhere in the setup, right?17:38
prpplaguemacmeck: in theory no, in practical , they might17:39
prpplaguemacmeck: both ports are controlled by GPIOs from the SOC17:39
macmeckprpplague: would loading defaults in the setup be worth trying?17:39
prpplaguemacmeck: so it is possible those GPIOs may have been disabled17:39
prpplaguemacmeck: right, that is what i was going to suggest17:39
prpplaguemacmeck: otherwise i suspect U10 on the board may be damage or not soldered down properly17:40
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macmeckprpplague: which is where on the board?17:43
prpplaguemacmeck: it's a menu option17:43
macmeckprpplague: setup defaults brought no changes in behaviour17:43
prpplaguemacmeck: ok, well we'll get another board out to you17:43
macmeckprpplague: I meant where is U10 to be found17:43
prpplaguemacmeck:  ahh17:44
prpplaguemacmeck: it's right next to the USB connector17:44
prpplaguemacmeck: small spec of chip17:44
macmeckprpplague: tiny!17:44
macmeckprpplague: need a magnifier17:45
macmeckprpplague: well, at least i cannot see any damagees17:49
prpplaguemacmeck: i certainly want to get it back to see what failed17:50
prpplaguemacmeck: we'll get another shipped out to you monday17:50
prpplaguemacmeck: when you get that one, you can send the one you have back for analysis17:50
macmeckprpplague: yes, i'll do that. thanks!17:54
macmeckprpplague: i'm just checking if there is power on the usb ports or not17:54
prpplaguemacmeck: i was going to suggest that17:54
prpplaguemacmeck: but wasn't sure if you had the resources to do some17:54
macmeckprpplague: I have ;-)17:55
prpplaguemacmeck: if you can check pin 6 on U8 and U9 on the back of the board17:55
prpplaguethose are easy locations17:55
prpplagueand relatively safe17:56
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macmeckprpplague: these are 5V?17:57
prpplaguemacmeck: yea18:00
prpplaguemacmeck: should be 5V for each18:01
macmeckprpplague: okay, just found U8/U9. you call these easy locations?18:02
prpplaguemacmeck: hehe18:03
prpplaguemacmeck: everything is relative18:03
macmeckprpplague: soldering points of the usb connector are easy points18:04
prpplaguemacmeck: ok18:04
prpplaguemacmeck: pin 1 and pin 1018:05
macmeckprpplague: nothing, as expected18:06
prpplaguemacmeck: ok one more check18:06
prpplaguemacmeck: check the voltages on both sides of R112 and R11418:08
prpplaguemacmeck: they are on the top side of the board near the usb connector18:08
prpplaguemacmeck: the resistors are not populatoe18:08
macmeckprpplague: ok18:09
macmeckprpplague: 0.5V on both of them18:11
prpplaguemacmeck: yea, sounds like U1018:16
macmeckprpplague: F1 is the fuse, right? is it involved in all of this?18:16
prpplaguemacmeck: not for this issue18:18
prpplaguemacmeck: the gpios for that control the enable for the usb voltage pass through U1018:18
prpplaguemacmeck: the gpios are at 1.8V and they are level shifted to 3.3V18:18
prpplaguemacmeck: so you are not getting anything out of the 3.3V side of the level shifter18:19
prpplaguemacmeck: as you can see that part is super small18:19
prpplaguemacmeck: i suspect either it is damaged or had a bad solder joint18:19
prpplaguemacmeck: it was good enough to pass validation, but after shipping and such, became none functional18:19
macmeckprpplague: ok... any other idea? or should we try another board?18:19
prpplaguemacmeck: you have soldering iron skills?18:20
macmeckprpplague: yes, if it's not about the size of U10 ;-)18:21
prpplaguemacmeck: hehe18:21
prpplaguemacmeck: let me look18:21
prpplaguemacmeck: hmm18:21
prpplaguemacmeck: why don't you double check that fuse just to make sure18:21
prpplaguemacmeck: you should see +5v on both sides18:22
macmeckprpplague: 5V on one side, 1.1V on the other18:23
prpplaguemacmeck: hmm18:24
prpplaguemacmeck: sounds like you had a short or something on the usb then18:24
prpplaguemacmeck: you "could" try shorting across the fuse18:24
macmeckprpplague: can I solder on your board?18:25
prpplaguemacmeck: sure18:25
macmeckprpplague: ok, I'll do that... need some time for that18:25
prpplaguemacmeck: no worries18:27
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macmeckprpplague: quite a difference!18:51
macmeckprpplague: it works!18:51
prpplaguemacmeck: ok, so some where down the line the board got a short and the fuse died18:52
prpplaguemacmeck: you might want to keep an eye on the board to make sure there aren't any over current situations18:53
prpplaguei.e. watch for hot components18:53
macmeckprpplague: ok18:53
prpplaguemacmeck: carpman (works for circuitco) is wiring up something so we can monitor current loads during testing18:53
prpplaguemacmeck: thanks for the testing again18:54
prpplaguemacmeck: sending you a board has paid for itself!18:54
macmeckprpplague: very welcome! thanks for your support!18:54
macmeckprpplague: so I'll just keep it with the shorted fuse?18:55
prpplaguemacmeck: yea, should be fine18:56
* prpplague makes a note for a hardware change in rev B18:56
macmeckprpplague: ok18:56
prpplaguemacmeck: i made a mistake in that the pullup resistors for the gpio signals are on the fused side18:57
prpplaguemacmeck: they should have been on the other side18:57
macmeckprpplague: oh okay18:58
prpplaguemacmeck: when the fuse is blown, it will give us false values on the GPIO lines18:59
macmeckprpplague: so better not blow the fuse ;-)18:59
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ka6soxprpplague, finding your possible overcurrent20:53
macmeckka6sox: the one that killed my fuse?20:53
prpplagueka6sox: say again?20:53
ka6soxnothing..I'm confused as usual it seems21:02
prpplagueka6sox: hehe no worries21:04
ranixhmm, are there any hardware drawings of the minnowboard max yet?21:08
ranixlooking for the board dimensions and exact locations of the mounting holes and cpu cooler holes21:09
ranixperusin' the wiki and not seeing anything21:09
prpplagueranix: we are finalizing all of that now and should have it posted on the wiki by wednesday21:11
prpplagueranix: we will have schematics pdf, orcad dsn, allegro brd, gerbers, bom21:11
prpplagueranix: as well as dimensions and eagle libraries with lure footprints already done21:12
ranixrad, thanks prpplague21:12
prpplagueranix: were you looking to do a lure or something else?21:13
ranixYep, making a low-speed lure.21:13
ranixI can wait until next week, it's not time sensitive21:13
prpplaguecarpman: can you share the eagle low speed lure eagle library with ranix ?21:16
carpmansure thing21:16
carpmanranix: msg me your email and I'll send it over.21:16
ranixthanks a bunch21:17
carpmanranix: It'll take a second, have to extract it from a larger library21:17
carpmanranix: on its way21:22
ka6soxcarpman, pretty please can I have it too?21:25
carpmanka6sox: done21:26
ka6soxcarpman, thanks!21:26
prpplagueka6sox / ranix please report any problems21:29
ka6soxwill do21:29
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BhaalFwoar! My Max has gone on holidays in Hawaii23:56
ka6soxBhaal, ask it to bring home something!23:59

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