Sunday, 2014-09-07

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holtmannwarthog9: So this bios is the worst piece of crap I have seen. I does not remember any boot device order. And as soon as you unplug anything it resets itself.04:17
holtmannDefine the boot order once and remember it. If a piece drive is not found, skip it. How hard can this be.04:21
warthog9holtmann: I encourage you to file bugs against tim he in the bugzilla :-)04:36
warthog9or michael krau04:37
warthog9I suspect some of the issue is how UEFI defines some of that expected boot order changing mess04:37
holtmannI most likely have to. So every time I want to switch between SD card boot and USB boot, I have to go into the bios and change the boot order. Otherwise it does netboot.04:37
warthog9you on the latest firmware?04:38
holtmannNo idea.04:38
holtmannHow would I find that out?04:38
warthog9next time you are in the firmware, 3rd line down on the first page04:38
warthog9second I was writing it up on Friday04:38
warthog9(I obviously didn't finish)04:38
warthog9that 3rd subset04:39
warthog9if it doesn't say 0071 or 0072 you should update04:39
warthog9 <-- where the firmware downloads live04:39
holtmannSays 007104:42
warthog9that's latest public04:43
warthog9I'd file bugs04:43
holtmannSo I have Fedora rawhide now booting from SD card and from USB.04:44
holtmannBut it is way too many hoops to get any of this working.04:44
warthog9USB should have just worked04:44
warthog9the sd card you just need to add the sd card drivers to drakut and force it to rebuild the initramfs04:45
holtmannYep. Exactly. And my installer script does not do it.04:45
holtmannI had to boot the SD card with a USB->SD converter and have it pretend to be USB. And then do dracut.04:45
warthog9holtmann: blame the fedora guys for completely not detected the sd card and adding the right drivers04:45
holtmannAlso dracut is utterly stupid when it comes to add_drivers+= sections.04:46
warthog9installs fine04:46
warthog9dracut is mostly stupid04:46
holtmannIt does not add whitespaces by itself.04:46
warthog9I'm not entirely sure how it was better04:46
holtmannSo it tried mmc_blocksdhci-pci.04:46
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holtmannBtw. I still have no clue if it is driver by sdhci-pci or sdhci-acpi.04:46
holtmannBoth seem to be detected, but I bet that is another firmware bug.04:47
warthog9you'd think that would depend on if the firmware is in acpi or pci mode04:47
holtmannBoth modules are loaded.04:48
warthog9I want to say I only add sdhci-pci04:48
warthog9and I do have a tendency to flip the pci/acpi switch a lot04:48
holtmannThen again I see 3 SD Host controller in lspci.04:48
warthog900:11.0, 00:12.0 and 00:17.0 ?04:49
warthog9I think two of those are supposed to be masked *sighs*04:49
holtmann00:12.0 SD Host controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series SDIO Controller (rev 0c)04:51
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holtmannThis one is the on board SD host controller.04:51
holtmannSo yes, sdhci-pci is enough.04:52
warthog9holtmann: we should probably mask the other two05:17
holtmannAnd whichever one they have over ACPI.05:17
hrwprpplague: I miss USB host connector like panda had :(06:42
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prpplaguehrw: you are the only one that missed "the tower"13:22
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KJHHello. I've got a Minnowboard. Is it possible to boot a USB-CDROM with it?18:51
KJHI'd like to try it with a CD Debian installer.18:51
prpplagueKJH: minnow or minnowboard max?18:54
prpplagueKJH: if minnowboard max , then yes18:54
KJHWhat would be the sequence of efi shell commands to achieve this?18:55
prpplagueKJH: it depends on what you have plugged into minnowboard max, as well as what distribution you are working with18:57
prpplagueKJH: please check the distribution installation wiki page for minnowboard max for detailed instructions18:57
KJHAn external USB-drive in the USB-3 port. Debian 7 netinst CD.18:58
prpplagueKJH: it should should up as fs0:18:59
prpplagueKJH: you should have an efi partition on the cd that you can cd to18:59
prpplagueKJH: to execute the stratuo18:59
KJHNo, it tells me it's "blk0"18:59
prpplagueif there is no "fs" device, that means that it was uable to find an efi partition19:00
prpplagueKJH: are you sure you have the UEFI 64-bit version of the cd?19:00
KJHDo you perhaps know if modern Debian CD images have the EFI partition on it, or does one always have to partition that oneself?19:01
KJHI'm going to check with Debian now.19:01
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KJHSo what does an 'UEFI enabled CD-rom' mean in practice? A CD does not have multiple partitions, right?19:04
prpplagueKJH: i would check the max distribution page first for full instructions and/or bug reports19:04
macmeckprpplague: any idea on why the seacat lure doesn't recognize my sata controller in the miniPCIe slot?19:16
macmeckprpplague: SSD on the mSATA port works just fine. but nothing on the miniPCIe slot19:18
macmeckprpplague: any jumpers on the lure that have switched off the miniPCIe slot?19:19
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prpplaguemacmeck: i am sorry i did not follow your question19:19
prpplaguemacmeck: and you repeat with more information?19:19
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macmeckprpplague: yep. i think no one had answers yesterday19:20
macmeckprpplague: I have a SATA controller on the miniPCIe slot of the seacat. but it's not recognized somehow19:20
prpplaguemacmeck: sata controller?19:20
prpplaguemacmeck: link?19:21
prpplaguemacmeck: most likely the card type pin on that is not properly implemented19:24
prpplaguemacmeck: i'll order one for testing19:24
macmeckprpplague: the card type pin... what? ;-)19:24
prpplaguemacmeck: card type pin is a pin on the mpcie that identifies what type of card is inserted19:25
prpplaguemacmeck: either a msata or mpcie19:25
prpplaguemacmeck: many chinese vendors don't implement it properly19:25
prpplaguemacmeck: which prevents boards that do implement it from recognizing the device19:25
macmeckprpplague: aha... so it might work on the msata slot of the seacat?19:25
prpplaguemacmeck: no19:26
macmeckprpplague: okay19:26
prpplaguemacmeck: the seacat like most systems, won't power on the slot unless the card type pin is enabled19:26
prpplaguemacmeck: that prevents the wrong type of card being inserted into the wrong type of slot19:27
prpplaguemacmeck: as soon as i can find a place in the US to order one of those i will19:27
prpplaguemacmeck: it doesn't seem to be available anywhere in the states19:28
macmeckprpplague: damn.19:29
prpplaguemacmeck: i'll dig around on monday to find out19:30
macmeckprpplague: any sata controllers that are known to work?19:30
macmeckprpplague: okay, cool. thanks!19:30
prpplaguemacmeck: it never even crossed my mind to test a mpcie sata controller19:31
prpplaguemacmeck: seems folks are really interested in using max in ways we never really intended19:31
macmeckprpplague: the easiest way for me to get more sata ports since port multiplier doesn't work on the onboard sata interface yet ;-)19:32
macmeckprpplague: ebay has it all, also shipping to the states19:33
prpplaguemacmeck: link?19:34
prpplaguemacmeck: yea i was looking for something in the states, but that will have to do19:37
prpplaguemacmeck: i'll get one ordered tomorrow as well some of the other delock modules19:38
macmeckprpplague: so you guess it's the controller. there's nothing on the board (jumpers?) that switch off the miniPCIe slot, right?19:39
prpplaguemacmeck: no19:40
prpplaguemacmeck: there is a power jumper, but that should already be on19:40
macmeckprpplague: okay19:40
prpplaguemacmeck: you can double check19:40
macmeckprpplague: how?19:41
prpplaguemacmeck: check to see if there is a jumper? hehe19:41
macmeckprpplague: the ssd on the msata port works just fine. is it one jumper for both?19:41
prpplaguemacmeck: yea works for both19:41
prpplaguemacmeck: we are getting ready for pre-production of jetsam lure and seacat lure, so any fixes we need to make to work with this type of stuff needs to happen next week19:43
prpplaguemacmeck: i hope i can find one of these quickly19:43
macmeckprpplague: theres a jumper on J8 connecting the two pins towards U1519:44
prpplaguemacmeck: that's it19:44
macmeckprpplague: okay, so we'll see what we can do next week19:48
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prpplaguemacmeck: yea19:48
macmeckprpplague: i could send you mine since it's not working for me at the moment if that is faster by any chance19:49
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macmeckprpplague: but international sellers might be just as quick as me19:55
prpplaguemacmeck: that is ok, i'll see what i can come up19:56
macmeckprpplague: one question concerning the size of the lure. will the final seacat be the same size as the minnowboard max?19:56
prpplaguemacmeck: yea19:57
prpplaguemacmeck: you saw the pictures of flotsam?19:57
macmeckprpplague: great!19:57
macmeckprpplague: only the schematics on the wiki I think19:58
macmeckprpplague: ah, just found them on google+19:58
prpplaguemacmeck: you not on G+ ?19:58
macmeckprpplague: just what I need! if we get the sata controller working, it's perfect20:00
prpplaguemacmeck: flotsam is the msata lure20:00
prpplaguemacmeck: jetsam is the mpcie lure20:00
prpplaguemacmeck: both are the same size20:00
prpplaguemacmeck: seacat is the same size, but has both mpcie and msata20:00
prpplaguemacmeck: it's a tight fit and it is more expensive20:01
macmeckprpplague: yeah, I saw that...20:02
prpplaguemacmeck: hehe, funny thing is, i have a version of the beaglebone black that fits into a mpcie slot20:02
prpplaguemacmeck: works fine on the seacat20:03
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hrwprpplague: the tower?20:21
hrwprpplague: you mean usb/usb/ethernet one?20:21
hrwprpplague: I meant usbhost pins in expansion headers20:22
prpplaguehrw: ahh20:35
prpplaguehrw: yea i wanted some on the LSE, but we just didn't have room20:35
prpplaguehrw: we do have one more usb port on the HSE20:35
prpplaguehrw: but not easy to add to20:35
hrwprpplague: HSE is hard to solder20:35
prpplaguehrw: several people have asked for the microlure20:36
hrwprpplague: is there a place for simple Reset button?20:36
prpplaguehrw: no, only on the HSE20:36
hrwprpplague: ;d20:37
prpplaguehrw: the pwr button will do a reset of course, but after 10 seconds of holding20:37
hrwprpplague: I now have it booting fine from microsd to ubuntu 14.04 but looks like my 5V/3.5A is a) not enough or b) broken20:38
prpplaguehrw: oh?20:39
prpplaguehrw: what all do you have plugged in?20:39
hrwprpplague: simple image with EFI+rootfs would be nice for download as well20:39
prpplaguehrw: yea, not enough hours in the day20:39
prpplaguehrw: base board with two usb devices shouldn't be more than 1.5A20:40
hrwprpplague: had 64GB usb3 pendrive from ADATA + dongle for IOGEAR wireless keyboard/trackball20:40
hrwprpplague: saw storage, saw keyboard but did not read keys.  unplug of thumbdrive helped20:40
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prpplaguehrw: i would not think that would be a power issue20:41
prpplaguehrw: i'd double check you power supply to make sure20:41
hrwprpplague: and I want to power 750mA sata harddrive through fan connector20:41
prpplaguehrw: ahh20:42
hrwprpplague: will check it. alternative is 5V 20A ;D20:42
prpplaguehrw: yea i'd go with something like a 5v@4A to make sure20:42
prpplaguehrw: that's pretty heavy load20:42
hrwfound some 5V/5A to buy - will take care of it tomorrow20:42
hrwor even 6A20:43
hrwit needs to just work as it will be htpc20:43
hrwand not in my flat so even more fragile20:43
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flatfaceSo I think I got a Max without a MAC address set. I think I saw something in this channel about it-- What should I do about it?21:46
prpplagueflatface: please email me at for info on how to fix21:47
flatfaceprpplague: Thanks21:47
prpplagueflatface: i'm out of the office currently so it will have to be tomorrow21:47
flatfaceThat's fine, I'm not in a hurry21:47
flatfaceI'll just use a USB ethernet adapter in the meantime21:47
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