Wednesday, 2014-09-17

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macmeckprpplague: did you find the time to check the sata controller thingie on the seacat mpcie slot yet?19:25
prpplaguemacmeck: ordered, but i am out of the office at meetings this week19:33
prpplaguemacmeck: it's on my todo for next week19:33
macmeckprpplague: hmmm okay. need to decide until the end of the week if i keep the controller i ordered or if i send it back19:35
macmeckprpplague: gut feeling? are we gonna make them work?19:36
prpplaguemacmeck: there should be no reason for it not to work19:36
prpplaguemacmeck: based on the pictures i saw on the week site19:36
prpplaguemacmeck: i suspect it is a card type pin issues19:36
macmeckprpplague: which we can bring to work? i still did not get the whole thing about this card type pin19:37
prpplaguemacmeck: soo....19:38
prpplaguemacmeck: the socket that is used for mPCIe is the same socket used for about a dozen other types of interfaces19:38
prpplaguemacmeck: including mSATA19:38
prpplaguemacmeck: the card type pin identifies what type of card it is19:39
prpplaguemacmeck: and if the card type doesn't match the type of socket it is configured for, it doesn't turn power on19:39
prpplaguemacmeck: this prevents someone from putting a msata in a mpcie socket19:39
prpplaguemacmeck: and such19:40
macmeckprpplague: okay, understood. so if it's the wrong card type pin, this controller won't work in the mpcie socket19:43
macmeckprpplague: which means that I'd better send it back19:44
prpplaguemacmeck: no19:44
prpplaguemacmeck: here is the problem19:44
prpplaguemacmeck: some manufacturers don't obey the specification19:44
prpplaguemacmeck: they configure there card to always assume it is being put in the right kind of slot19:44
prpplaguemacmeck: the seacat was originally design to comply 100% with the specification19:45
prpplaguemacmeck: which means if the card type pin is not set, it assumes that something is wrong and doesn't power the slot on19:45
prpplaguemacmeck: what we may need to add is either a jumper or switch to override this default behavior, IF a card isn't implemented properly19:46
macmeckprpplague: I'd love to see that :D19:48
prpplaguemacmeck:  we just have to verify it first19:49
macmeckprpplague: sure19:52
macmeckprpplague: an additional sata controller just seems to be the only way to have more than one hdd connected to the board19:52
prpplaguemacmeck: well you have two sata ports19:53
prpplaguemacmeck: you need more than two?19:53
macmeckprpplague: two?19:54
prpplaguemacmeck: yea19:55
prpplaguemacmeck: you have one onboard sata connector and a second sata on the HSE19:56
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prpplaguemacmeck: how many sata ports do you need?19:56
macmeckprpplague: hm, I use the seacat lure to host a small msata ssd with only the OS. then i have two large HDDs for the data19:58
prpplaguemacmeck: so is that going to be the standard configuration? three sata devices?19:58
macmeckprpplague: standard for me, yes19:59
prpplagueso you need three sata devices20:00
macmeckprpplague: yes20:01
macmeckprpplague: there was also a discussion on the mailing list where someone was asking for support for a port multiplier on the sata port of the board itself (which we know by now that it's not supported by the chip)20:02
prpplaguemacmeck: yea20:03
prpplaguemacmeck: we were getting conflicting info on that20:03
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macmeckprpplague: ok, then I'll wait for your tests with the controller and we'll see if we can power it up20:05
prpplaguemacmeck: i'd recommend putting the OS on a usb3 device, and then just use the two sata ports20:06
prpplaguemacmeck: that makes a lot more sense20:06
hrwuse sata port + sata on hse + minipcie on hse with sata controller?20:07
macmeckprpplague: more sense in which way?20:07
prpplaguemacmeck: as that doesn't require a an additional sata controller20:09
macmeckprpplague: and then build an adapter to take the sata pins from the HSE to connect a sata cable?20:09
warthog9prpplague: did I tell you those two sata cards shipped?20:10
prpplaguemacmeck: no need to build an adapter we already have one20:11
prpplaguemacmeck: since there are no electronics involved20:11
prpplaguemacmeck: just connectors20:11
prpplaguewarthog9: no?20:11
warthog9prpplague: they shipped, let me dig up the tracking number20:11
prpplaguewarthog9: oh right20:12
prpplaguewarthog9: the boards macmeck is talking about20:12
prpplaguemacmeck: what is it your are trying to accomplish?20:13
macmeckprpplague: basically attach two HDDs which keep the data while keeping them free from the OS. I chose the msata for the OS to also keep the USB ports free for other purposes20:18
prpplaguemacmeck: right but what "is it" you are actually trying to accomplish?20:19
prpplaguemacmeck: set top box? automation? backup?20:19
prpplaguehrw: hey bud20:19
prpplaguehrw: what's cookin?20:19
hrwprpplague: nothing "new"20:19
prpplaguehrw: hehe20:20
hrwprpplague: waiting for pcie x8 riser20:20
hrwprpplague: plan to have aarch64 desktop machine20:20
prpplaguehrw: hehe20:20
macmeckprpplague: all-in-one box. NAS/media server/backup box20:20
prpplaguemacmeck: curious20:22
prpplaguemacmeck: why would you choose max over just purchasing off the shelf?20:22
macmeckprpplague: fast, flexible, extendable. hey, you should know the pros of the max ;-)20:24
prpplaguemacmeck: yes, but this use case wasn't really what we designed max for20:24
prpplaguemacmeck: seems we have a solid group that are trying to use max more as a small pc20:25
hrwprpplague: r/pi was not designed as htpc but as an education toy...20:25
prpplaguehrw: indeed20:25
* prpplague jokes with hrw 20:25
macmeckhrw: haha, just what I was about to say20:26
hrwok, but enough of rpi. my weekly limit reached20:26
prpplaguehrw: hehe20:26
hrw:D20:27
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prpplaguehrw: don't visit hackaday,com then, they are changing their name to hackarpiaday.com20:27
hrwprpplague: I only visit them when someone post on g+20:27
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hrwprpplague: I trust my circles to be ~sane20:28
prpplaguehrw: hehe20:29
NullMoogleCablewhy is the http://www.elinux.org/Minnowboard:Minnow_Original page not as nice as the minnow max page?20:34
ahollerhmm, when I last visited hackaday, they always showed me advertising for the bbb20:34
hrwbig black boobs?20:35
prpplagueaholler: but they rarely carry posts about hacks done with bbb20:36
prpplagueNullMoogleCable: mainly because it hasn't been heavily worked on20:36
prpplagueNullMoogleCable: since we knew that max was going to get more focus20:37
ahollerprpplague: let one of these beagle class floot them with hacks ;)20:37
ahollerbut I assume they need exact steps ;)20:38
prpplaguehehe indeed20:38
NullMoogleCableanyone doing anything with original minnows anymore?20:43
ahollerhmpf, udev is a pain with it's dependency on newer kernel versions.20:44
hrwshouldn't minnowmax work fine with mainline?20:45
* hrw -> bed20:45
hrwhave a nice day20:46
ahollerI'm currently updating my omap-board rootfs, that has 3.220:46
ahollers/has/needs/20:46
ahollersomeone without the exact steps broke booting from usb with 3.3 ;)20:46
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aholler(while making bisecting that impossible in a reasonable time frame)20:50
prpplaguehrw: yes mainline 3.14 or newer20:52
prpplaguehrw: with 3.16 preferred20:52
NullMoogleCableanyone experiment with the ESP8266 modules yet?20:54
warthog9NullMoogleCable: it's not as good because I've been focusing on the MAX and getting all of that documentation up, dealt with, etc20:57
warthog9NullMoogleCable: is there something specifically missing or bad that I need to address / fix?20:58
NullMoogleCableno real comparison between the max and original, the stats on the right side is nice for the max,20:59
warthog9NullMoogleCable: is a comparison actually useful?21:12
warthog9NullMoogleCable: if it is I'll work on getting one together21:14
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