Thursday, 2015-01-15

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MinnowboyWhere can I buy Minnowboard Max? Everywhere it is out of stock.01:43
warthog9Minnowboy: the current distributors are up on minnowboard.org01:49
warthog9shipments are going out regularly and I think all the distributors are taking back orders and filling them as soon as they get stock01:50
inflexTime to get Apple to make them :p01:54
Minnowboy@warthog9: Thanks.02:01
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Driv3lJohn (Warthog)... not sure if you're still on. Had some feedback on your 3d printed case for the minnowboard Max.18:04
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Driv3lPrints well on an FDM Delta... but there is a slight fit problem. I have an A2 revision board, and the debug pins aren't accessible through the slot you created for it18:05
Driv3lmeant to say TTY / Serial pins18:05
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warthog9Driv3l: yup, it's a known problem and I haven't had time to sit down and futz with it18:22
warthog9bonus points that my printer was offline for a couple months18:22
Driv3lOk, cool.. might be easier to just open up that space and not have a "slot"18:23
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warthog9Driv3l: your problem is pci vs. acpi enumeration18:24
Driv3lI am guessing you're referring to my email posting?18:24
warthog9Driv3l: also note - yahoo SUCKS for mailing lists these days because of their stupid draconian DMARC rules, just FYI18:24
warthog9Driv3l: yup18:25
warthog9Driv3l: 2 ways to fix18:25
warthog9(1) add sdhci sdhci-pci sdhci-acpi to the initrd18:25
warthog9(2) flip lpss & scc devices mode http://elinux.org/Minnowboard:MaxBios#LPSS_.26_SCC_Configuration18:26
Driv3lAh.. ok, great.. I looked at those options in the bios, but didn't try that particular one18:27
Driv3lI got Jessie running, so probably won't mess with it too much. Might be useful to note this on the wiki for others like me who aren't as clued up on these issues18:28
Driv3lso was the devices mode different between 0.71 and 0.73?18:29
warthog9yeah it was PCI as default, changed to ACPI in 0.73 for better Windows support18:29
Driv3lFYI... I separately ran into another issue.... I thought I had a corrupt UEFI (what getting those 3 lines in the log)... turned out I had a micro usb 802.11n wifi adapter which went bad and wouldn't init18:31
Driv3lso when it was plugged in, the board wouldn't boot18:31
warthog9Driv3l: firmware bug it's....18:33
warthog9https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673218:34
yoctiBug 6732: normal, Low, Production Release, mang.guo, ACCEPTED , USB 2.0 Network interface causes firmware to stall on boot18:34
Driv3lI say this because I was hunting around for a way to resolve this only to find there is no bios recovery (when I first thought the bios was corrupt) and you need to reprogram it via the SPI pins. Would be useful if a future revision had a recovery mode which didn't require specialized hardware to recover the bios18:35
Driv3lthanks for the link.. didn't know it was a known issue18:35
warthog9Driv3l: building the recovery into the board, like you describe, would be rather costly unfortunately18:35
warthog9we are working on a cheaper device to do the reprogramming18:35
Driv3lis there any way to prevent bios corruption? like read only mode?18:36
warthog9Driv3l: uefi more or less requires the firmware space to be writeable18:36
warthog9Driv3l: the way most big pc vendors solve this is to have 2-3 firmware flash chips on the board18:37
warthog9and have a/b failover18:37
warthog9that would, unfortunately, had a fair amount of cost to the overall board if we did it though (and board real estate)18:38
Driv3lIn that case, any recommendation for a cheap usable programmer in case I need to use it? I believe it has to support 1.8v... fyi, I know nothing about hardware development... I am primarily a software engineer and am developing some software for SBCs18:39
Driv3lFYI.. I have a number of SBCs... mostly allwinner based (A20 based cubieboard, cubietruck and banana pi, and an IFC6410 and a hummingboard) and the minnowboard max is by far the best of them in terms of performance and usability / setup (aside from that one issue I ran into)18:41
warthog9Driv3l: I don't have a good cheap recommendation till prpplague gets the spi hook done18:42
Driv3lI am getting really good performance compared to the other boards (with the specific software I am working on)18:42
warthog9Driv3l: if you are going to do a lot of work with the MAX and/or boards like it I can tell you I use a Dediprog SF10018:43
warthog9I *THINK* prpplague has a home made adapter for a flyswatter2 he uses18:43
prpplaguewarthog9: yea it's just a basic adapter for the flyswatter218:44
prpplaguewarthog9: the flashrom page has a number of devices listed, but most are configured for 3.3V i/o18:45
prpplaguewarthog9: and the max uses 1.8V i/o for the flash18:45
Driv3lI looked at that SF100... it's slightly on the pricier side.. the flyswatter2 looks pretty good. I did see a thread where someone mentioned working on getting it working with the minnowboard. Would be great to know if that adapter works18:47
prpplagueDriv3l: yea that was me18:47
prpplagueDriv3l: i've been a little "busy" so i've not updated the info18:47
prpplagueDriv3l: that has changed, so i can add that to my todo list18:48
* prpplague runs to lunch, bbiab18:48
Driv3lok, great. I'll probably get the flyswatter2 if you think that'll do the trick18:48
prpplagueDriv3l: well you will need an adapter18:49
prpplagueDriv3l: or some patch cables18:49
Driv3lwill you be providing the schematics for it?18:49
prpplagueDriv3l: yea18:49
Driv3lthat should work then.. I could probably do some patch cables18:50
Driv3lQuestion (please excuse me if it sounds ignorant / stupid).... I noticed there is a JTAG lure for the minnowboard max. Can this lure also be used to program the bios?19:24
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prpplagueDriv3l: technically it could be used for programming the spi flash, but that's not really something that has been documented/pushed20:43
prpplagueDriv3l: currently the only jtag hardware that works with the minnowboard max is the XDP device.20:44
prpplagueDriv3l: that device is very expensive and not open20:44
prpplagueDriv3l: we are working on getting support into openocd for the long term so that open hardware devices such as the flyswatter2 based on the ft2232 can be used20:45
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